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drum hani ja au de erscht satz so gschriebe, wie ich en gschriebe han. wenns uf anderne planete no meh lebewese gitt wo no höcher entwickled sind, spricht das ja eher no meh für en gott.

wemmer jetzt mal die andere planete weglaht. wie gross isch d'chance, dass es erde gitt, und det druff en "mensch"?

usserdem: wills kei bewiis gitt seit mer ja "Glaube" und nöd "Wüsse".

s'letschtmal wo ich nahgluegt han, händ schonume d'mänsche elei no rächt verschiedeni vorstellige vo gott & schöpfig gha. dadrzue nimmsch mal no d'lore vo de klingone, dä chewies und dä aargauer und dänn cha me mal afa wiiterdiskutiere.

das so näbebii.

h4xX0r hat geschrieben:usserdem: wills kei bewiis gitt seit mer ja "Glaube" und nöd "Wüsse".

wenn das dia gläubiga nur endlich endlich mal kapiera würdend.

h4xX0r hat geschrieben:wemmer jetzt mal die andere planete weglaht. wie gross isch d'chance, dass es erde gitt, und det druff en "mensch"?

du wetsch itz rational argumentiere mit mir, dass es es irrational begründetes Wese muess gäh, oder?

Und wenni 600000000000000000000000000 machenang es 6 Würfle, denn muess Magie dehinder si?

Was genau wetsch mer säge?

zwirrlibatz hat geschrieben:s'letschtmal wo ich nahgluegt han, händ schonume d'mänsche elei no rächt verschiedeni vorstellige vo gott & schöpfig gha. dadrzue nimmsch mal no d'lore vo de klingone, dä chewies und dä aargauer und dänn cha me mal afa wiiterdiskutiere.

das so näbebii.

en Flucht i Beliebigkeit hilft dere Diskussion sicher witer.

emP hat geschrieben:

h4xX0r hat geschrieben:wemmer jetzt mal die andere planete weglaht. wie gross isch d'chance, dass es erde gitt, und det druff en "mensch"?

du wetsch itz rational argumentiere mit mir, dass es es irrational begründetes Wese muess gäh, oder?

Und wenni 600000000000000000000000000 machenang es 6 Würfle, denn muess Magie dehinder si?

Was genau wetsch mer säge?

Chemicals + Energy: Could They Have Given Birth to the First Life?

One chemist has calculated the immense odds against amino acids ever combining to form the necessary proteins by undirected means. He estimated the probability to be more than 10 to the 67th to 1 (1067:1) against even a small protein forming by time and chance, in an ideal mixture of chemicals, in an ideal atmosphere, and given up to 100 billion years (an age 10 to 20 times greater than the supposed age of the Earth). [129] Mathematicians generally agree that, statistically, any odds beyond 1 in 10 to the 50th (1:1050) have a zero probability of ever happening (“and even that gives it the benefit of the doubt!”). [130]

Various highly qualified researchers feel they have scientifically proved, beyond question, that the proteins needed for life could never have come into existence by chance or any natural processes. [131]



molecule: a chemical combination of atoms.

What did chemist Dr. Wilder-Smith conclude is the bottom line on this issue?


“It is emphatically the case that life could NOT arise spontaneously in a primeval soup of this kind.” [132]

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/ ... -life.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

ja und itz?

für jeda einzelni lottogwinner schtönd d'odds au rächt beschisse...trotzdem gwünnend dia immer wieder.

hörend doch uuf so religiöses züüg mit wüssaschaftliche date zbegründe. es isch lächerlich.

gandalf hat geschrieben:hörend doch uuf so religiöses züüg mit wüssaschaftliche date zbegründe. es isch lächerlich.

gilt aber au für d'"widerlegig" vo gott.

es gaht nur da drum:
du akzeptiersch s'iitreffe vonere wahrschiinlichkeit vo 1 : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 als logisch, aber s'iiwürke vonere chraft wo du nöd kennsch als geschwafel?

h4xX0r hat geschrieben: du akzeptiersch s'iitreffe vonere wahrschiinlichkeit vo 1 : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 als logisch

wer seit es isch logisch? eher glücklich

ah ja die chance isch nur die, dass es protein spontan entstaht. die ganze DNA sträng wo zuefällig entstönnd, de zellufbau und de ganz rescht isch dete nonig debii.

Two well known scientists calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes. They estimated that there is less than 1 chance in 1040,000 that life could have originated by random trials. 10 to the 40,000th is a 1 with 40,000 zeros after it!

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lol

es gaht weder um bewiis no um logik no um wahrschiinlichkeite. was nödgläubigi nöd kapieret, isch dass glaube öppis sehr persönlichs und irrationals per se isch. und da chönnds genauso stur, dumm und verbländed drher schwafle.

aber me chan türli jederziit biischpiel vo totaldureknallte fanatiker afüehre drmit me gschiid und ufklärt würkt.

h4xX0r hat geschrieben:es gaht nur da drum:
du akzeptiersch s'iitreffe vonere wahrschiinlichkeit vo 1 : 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 als logisch, aber s'iiwürke vonere chraft wo du nöd kennsch als geschwafel?

lol...das isch ja eh die lustig debatte zwüsche religion und wüsseschaft. beidi beruhe uf annahme / uuschlussverfahre - nur die eine sind bitz überheblicher, als die andere wüsseschaft git überhaupt kei antwort druuf, wases (süsch no) git oder nid git. nur uf d'fraag, was mir bisher entdeckt hei und chöi empirisch nahwiise. dank dem wüsse mer es bitzli was über ganz wenig.

es isch würkli e wayne debatte. zudem het dr Brecht die ganz fraag nach Gott mal perfekt zämegfasst:

Einer fragte Herrn K., ob es einen Gott gäbe.

Herr K. sagte: "Ich rate dir, nachzudenken, ob dein Verhalten je nach der Antwort auf diese Frage sich ändern würde.
Würde es sich nicht ändern, dann können wir die Frage fallen lassen.

Würde es sich ändern, dann kann ich dir wenigstens noch so weit behilflich sein, dass ich dir sage, du hast dich schon entschieden:


Du brauchst einen Gott."

es gitt ebe immer no lüüt wo glaubed, dass inquisition, terrorischte und chrüüzzüüg öppis mit religion ztue händ.

sone zahl isch im verglich zum farkling universum immer na nüüt. usserdem ischd warschinlichkeit gar nid so gring dases scho uf eusem nachbar planet läbe git.
sobald si das mal entdeckt hei chamer devo usgah dases i eusem universum vo lebe nur so wimmlet mit verschidene ufbau strukture.

Sylvara hat geschrieben:Brecht

sehr guet.

O_O hat geschrieben:sone zahl isch im verglich zum farkling universum immer na nüüt. usserdem ischd warschinlichkeit gar nid so gring dases scho uf eusem nachbar planet läbe git.
sobald si das mal entdeckt hei chamer devo usgah dases i eusem universum vo lebe nur so wimmlet mit verschidene ufbau strukture.

und das schlüsst en gott us?

nei aber es bestätigt en au nöd.

seit ja niemerd, ihr behauptet ja es gitt keine lol

zwirrlibatz hat geschrieben:

Sylvara hat geschrieben:Brecht

sehr guet.

es isch ds einzig überhaupt relevante a dem ganze.

O_O hat geschrieben:sone zahl isch im verglich zum farkling universum immer na nüüt. usserdem ischd warschinlichkeit gar nid so gring dases scho uf eusem nachbar planet läbe git.
sobald si das mal entdeckt hei chamer devo usgah dases i eusem universum vo lebe nur so wimmlet mit verschidene ufbau strukture.

da gitts au viel gägesprächendi debatte i dä szene. s'läbe (wie mir s'känned) isch im univserum nöd grundsätzlich mal sehr hochwahrschiinlich wills ganz viel sunnene gitt. zilliarde faktore und vorsuusetzige gitts.


apropo, wer erklärt dä urknall? gott oder wüsseschaft?

h4xX0r hat geschrieben:es gitt ebe immer no lüüt wo glaubed, dass inquisition, terrorischte und chrüüzzüüg öppis mit religion ztue händ.

+ 95% vo allne Chriege, Fraueunterdrückig vo 300-1972, systematischi Chindsmisshandlige i allne Forme, Leibeeigetum etcetcetc.

D Lischte isch recht lang.

mhm